tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3620474884501533030.post5069615508592033567..comments2023-06-05T06:30:25.429-07:00Comments on Rhetorical Wasteland: Slow-mo party fractureUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3620474884501533030.post-21729612780830303082008-10-03T09:50:00.000-07:002008-10-03T09:50:00.000-07:001. The Dems never should have supported anything ...1. The Dems never should have supported anything remotely resembling the bailout bill that failed in the first place. <I>That</I> was the mistake of the Dem leadership - that they bought into the now! now! now! hype.<BR/><BR/>2. The Dems aren't fracturing because they've never had the same level of unity exhibited by Republicans over the last decade. It's not news when Dems split on things. There's no decade-old coalition threatening to break apart.<BR/><BR/>3. See <A HREF="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/09/after_bailout_bill_failure_an.html" REL="nofollow">this post</A> for a reference to Boehner's promise to deliver 100 votes, and how he got 65, and how the Dems promised 118, and how they got 140.<BR/><BR/>4. Can we stop playing the equivalency game now?Dennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05685035273589091992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3620474884501533030.post-16619532223360247622008-10-03T09:30:00.000-07:002008-10-03T09:30:00.000-07:00But that doesn't make sense. If it is fractured, ...But that doesn't make sense. If it is fractured, who cares the percentages. The democrats could have passed it with or without the republicans, and they didn't. The democrats were fractured enough to block the bill from being passed. I don't recall Boehner ever promising to deliver the votes. Plus, if he knew the vote count, wouldn't that mean they violated open meeting laws? Since the dems could have passed it on their own, how is the blame equal? I think you are being a bit disingenous with your last statement: <BR/><BR/> "Plus, I don't think the lack of Dems voting shows a fracturing of the party in the same way that the Republican vote does."<BR/><BR/>Seems to me the dems gave up their majority to the republicans on the vote, and most of the republicans didn't want it. Dems need to poop or get off the pot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3620474884501533030.post-56672388482480415512008-10-02T22:03:00.000-07:002008-10-02T22:03:00.000-07:00Maybe it's because I am tired of the false equival...Maybe it's because I am tired of the false equivalences being made between the parties. Yes, only something like 2/3 of Dems voted for the bill, but the agreement between Boehner and Pelosi was that each would deliver enough to put it over the top. Pelosi delivered her share; Boehner didn't. There are specific reasons for each, and it would be good not to assume that since the Dems had the numbers to pass it, they share equal blame. That ignores what <I>actually happened.</I> <BR/><BR/>Plus, I don't think the lack of Dems voting shows a fracturing of the party in the same way that the Republican vote does.Dennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05685035273589091992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3620474884501533030.post-65557737387450231332008-10-02T21:26:00.000-07:002008-10-02T21:26:00.000-07:00But you neglect to write about the democratic hous...But you neglect to write about the democratic house leadership wanting it also, and their people didn't pass it either. They could have passed it without the republicans even showing up. You mean Obama is voting with Bush?!! I think Hell just got very cold, and yes, it is freezing. Democrats were afraid, republicans didn't like the bill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com